LuisG escribió:Lo que me gusta es que tienes conviccion en lo que crees.
Antes de ir a los abogados, debes ir a su regulador.
Pero sinceramente, creo que no tienes razón.
a) La variación del spread es por la misma naturaleza del mercado, ocurre todos los días al cierre de sesión USA, sobre todo a las 21gmt. En todo el mundo no hay grandes bancos abiertos, ni bolsas, y muchos bancos hacen su cierre diario suspendiendo sus operaciones por un par de minutos.
b) tu boker no tiene porque responder a la falta de liquidez de todo el mercado, no te pueden dar lo que el mercado no de.
c) Como te mostre en los adjuntos de mi post anterior, icmarkets puso el spread del oro en 3 dólares!!! mas de 10 veces el spread normal, al cierre diario de las 21 gmt en un dia intermedio de semana, e icmarkerts tuvo este fin de semana un spread de 30.0 de spread en GBPJPY y 27.7 en el GBPUSD. Por tanto, no puedes reclamarle a tu broker el aumento del spread a esas horas, es una cuestión de mercado mismo que puedes comprobar fácilmente pidiendo los spreads de cierre de otros brokers.
d) tampoco puedes acusarlos de aumentar el spread solo en un lado, o en todo caso, no seria tu caso, ya que tus posiciones estaban compensadas con la operación contraria, te "quitarían" en una operación y te aumentaría la otra y (exagerando la explicacion) tu no tienes "dos spreads al mismo tiempo para el mismo par".
e) la explicación para la disminución de tu equidad es bastante simple, consideremos tus operaciones en GBPJPY buy 4 lotes y sell 4 lotes, el spread como bien lo observas en la imagen que adjunte de icmarkets (un broker diferente al tuyo y representativo del mercado) es 30 pips, esto supone que el spread aumento unos 27 pips, que redondeamos a 25 para hacer mas fácil el calculo, y asumiendo por simplicidad que son 10 dol / ( pip x lote)
Significa que "perdiste" por tus 4 lotes en buy, a ver mmm.. 4 lotes x 25 pips x 10 dol/ (pip x lotes) = 1000 dólares (o euros siempre simplificando y sin perder la esencia). Por tus operaciones en sell, perderías otro tanto, y este aumento del spread empieza siempre desde las 20 gmt de todos los días, siendo mas notable antes del cierre del fin de semana.
e) tu cuenta aunque en negativo, no se cerro porque al parecer tu bróker cerro su semana antes del ese spread de fin de semana y por tanto no se ejecuto el margin call. El lunes supongo que dependerá del spread de apertura y lo mas probable es que pierdas todo.
Saludos
PD:
Gracias Bart por la magistral explicación, aunque en este caso el spread al que nos referimos es lo que nos cobra el bróker, y creo que tu te refieres mas cuando cubrimos posiciones con pares correlacionados y es todo un tema donde hay que hilar mas fino aun que con otras operativas.
Sí, tengo las operaciones compensadas, pero las pérdidas no, siempre tienes más pérdidas en un lado que en otro, a no ser que abras siempre a la vez, en el mismo milisegundo operaciones de compra y venta, que no es el caso.. por lo tanto, sí que creo que tengo razón, porque ya digo que si las pérdidas están más en el lado de las compras, te aumentan el spread sólo hacia abajo, y si las pérdidas están más en el lado de las ventas, te aumentan el spread sólo hacia arriba, creo que se entiende fácilmente, que este truco, hace que todos los que tengamos spreads variables, el broker nos vaya robando dinero, sin que nos demos cuenta, creyendo que es del mercado..
Por no hablar del famoso tema del deslizamiento, que no lo he tocado, pero también lo harán, aunque lo más importante es esto del spread, y la falta de liquidez.
Y también, esas misteriosas congelaciones del sistema, siempre en horarios de noticias.. qué casualidad.
Son un truco tras otro, os cuelgo un artículo que vi la primera vez, donde lo explica claramente:
http://www.luckscout.com/stop-loss-hunt ... hat-to-do/
Stop Loss Hunting by Forex Brokers – What to Do?
Before reading this article please read another article I already published about stop loss and target orders, and the way they have to be set properly: Where Is the Best Place for Stop Loss and Limit Orders?
What is Stop Loss Hunting?
As you know forex brokers make money when you take a position. They charge you some pips when you buy a currency pair. This number of pips that brokers charge when you buy currency pairs is called spread. Different brokers have different spreads for different currency pairs. Spread is almost the only way that the forex brokers make money.
Of course, there are two kinds of brokers. ECN/STP Brokers who transfer your trades to liquidity providers (banks), and the ones that are market maker (they have a dealing desk). The first group usually doesn’t make any money through the spread. They have to charge commissions as their income. The spread you pay when you trade with the second group, as well as the swap and the money you lose in your trades, are all the broker’s income.
Good and reliable brokers are happy with the money they make legitimately. However, with market maker brokers, your profit is their loss, and visa versa. Therefore, they have to make you lose to make money. If you make money, they lose.
Stop loss hunting is one of the ways they use to do that. They have some special robots or hire and train some employees who monitor the clients trades. When a client takes a short position and sets a stop loss and the market goes against the position and becomes so close to the stop loss, the robot or the stop loss hunter employee increases the spread manually to help the market hit the stop loss sooner.
For example you take a short position with EUR/USD at 1.3180 and you set your stop loss at 1.3280. You have a short position and to close this position you have to buy. So your stop loss is in fact a buy order. You pay the spread only when you buy. So you don’t pay the spread when you go short. You pay it when you want to close your short position and so you buy.
Ok! Back to our example. You have a short position at 1.3180 and your stop loss is at 1.3280. The market goes against you and goes up to 1.3275 which is only 5 pips away to trigger your stop loss. As your stop loss is a buy order, then the amount of the spread has to be added to the market price. If the result equals your stop loss value, it will be triggered.
So the market is against you and is only 5 pips away from your stop loss value, but it doesn’t mean that it has to go up 5 more pips to hit your stop. If your broker charges you 2 pips for EUR/USD, this 2 pips has to be added to the market price which is 1.3275. Indeed, your buy price will be 1.3277 which means it is only 3 pips away from your stop loss. If the market changes the direction and goes down at this stage, your stop loss will not be triggered, but this is the opportunity that the scam brokers wait for it. As soon as the market becomes so close to your stop loss, the broker increases the spread. So while the spread is 2 pips and the market is only 3 pips away from your stop, the broker adds at least 3 more pips to the spread to hit your stop loss.
You think you have lost your money in the market and because of the bad position you had taken, but in fact you have not lost it in a real trade. The broker has increased the spread to pretend that your stop loss is triggered. The money you have lost is in the broker’s pocket.
I have experienced this myself. One day I have been watching the market through a very famous broker platform. I was checking both the live and demo account and I had one position with the demo account and one with the live account, both at the same time and price and with the same currency pair.
Suddenly I saw that my position with the demo account triggered the target but the live account position was still open. When I checked, I found out that when the price became so close to the target, the spread was increased to prevent my position from hitting the target. The spread jumped from 4 to 14 in one second.
It attracted my attention and I kept on monitoring the broker, and I found out that they do the same thing when the price becomes so close to the stop loss. While the demo position is still open and has not triggered the stop loss, the live position becomes closed by the stop loss order. So a trade that could make only $400 for the broker through charging 4 pips as the spread, made $10,000 for hitting a 100 pips stop loss. Easy money!
Why do they prevent the target from being triggered, by increasing the spread?
If they let your target be triggered, your trade will be closed and you will make a profit. This is what they don’t want, because as I mentioned above, your profit is their loss. But if they keep your trade open, it is possible that the price turns around and then they get the chance to hunt your stop loss.
Can they succeed to hunt your stop loss or prevent your target all the time?
They can do that if they want. They can increase the spread to any level they want. Of course, when the market goes to your direction strongly they try not to do anything because it will look too suspicious and they get caught.
What Is the Solution?
Choose a reliable and well-known ECN/STP broker. Avoid market maker broker. Always check the reviews before you sign up. Do not be deceived by those brokers who are proud of having no dealing desk. Some of them may have no dealing desk, but they do have stop loss hunter employees.
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Por otro lado, daos cuenta que no puse ni TP, ni SL en ninguna orden, previendo que me intentaran hacer alguna.. lo de ir bajando la equidad porque según ellos "falta liquidez", por qué les tengo que creer? Si he leído antes, y yo lo sospechaba, que en realidad ellos son mero intermediario entre yo y el mercado, que opero en un mercado ficticio con ellos, yo no opero directamente contra el mercado, y sí, cuando yo gano, ellos pierden, y al revés, cuando yo pierdo, ellos ganan.
